Are you kidding me lol... Telerik has nothing BUT problems, and what really makes me LMFAO is when you post something on Telerik forums you get the "FAMOUS" old Microsoft answer "We were unable to reproduce the problem must be on your end..." lol Telerik what a Joke...

It's because of people like you that sometimes some programmers are tempted (i was one of them) by Infragistics.  The only problem is that most of them won't be able to reproduce your example. Their application will be full of bug caused by controls that are not working together.

 All these people are wasting time and money to get where only a small pack of people can go.

Ah I see what you are talking about now... We are not just talking about building it then showing who won the challenge but rather putting it on my site as one of the 30 day challenges (with source code) and forums etc. (for that particular challenge) it is one of the reasons I built the site because I agree with you alot of times samples/examples etc. really don't help out because it is hard to go step by step etc. and the reason for my site is to not only build things like this but also to show how and why (btw my site is not just going to be infragistics)...

"All these people are wasting time and money to get where only a small pack of people can go." this statement also depends on talent it is easy to say that but the fact of the matter is not everyone can paint and while some of these types of examples are not for the starter programmer there is no reason they cannot try to achieve this level with the help of more experienced programmers...

 I also disagree that these types of things are not productive and here is why, at the start of this thread Cedric, Michael and I were arguing back and forth as to why the other company sucks and out of that we have come up with a friendly challenge between programmers (on opposite sides of the world i might add) with two different points of view now I ask you what is not productive about that...

I totaly agree with u Chris, every one can benefit of your samples! 

Good chance :)

:) thanks

I just put the site online the other day so overtime it will be very useful (well atleast for me as I have the memory of a gerbal) hehehe

Hopefully overtime people will start making requests on how to do something etc. which will allow me to get some more snippets and tutorials on there etc. so I see this challenge (win or lose) as a way to add a new tutorial :)

I'd have to say this is one of the most civil and potentially productive debates I've seen on the net! and the results of the challenge will be very interesting and possibly useful.

but I would point out that just because one person is able to construct something cool with Infragistics does not do much to prove it is the better component set. a better challenge would be to have several average programmers each try and build a real-world app with each vendor's component sets and assess how easy they are to use, how well documented, how feature-rich etc.

with that said however I look forward to seeing the results of the challenge!