Are you kidding me lol... Telerik has nothing BUT problems, and what really makes me LMFAO is when you post something on Telerik forums you get the "FAMOUS" old Microsoft answer "We were unable to reproduce the problem must be on your end..." lol Telerik what a Joke...

@remissss hmmm don't even know what to say about that... thats a first... why is the challenge useless?

Michael points out a good point not only would it be useful to not only IG programmers but all programmers alike as there would be no reason why you couldn't just replace the controls with something else so for that reason alone it is a good challenge...

It's because of people like you that sometimes some programmers are tempted (i was one of them) by Infragistics.  The only problem is that most of them won't be able to reproduce your example. Their application will be full of bug caused by controls that are not working together.

 All these people are wasting time and money to get where only a small pack of people can go.

Ah I see what you are talking about now... We are not just talking about building it then showing who won the challenge but rather putting it on my site as one of the 30 day challenges (with source code) and forums etc. (for that particular challenge) it is one of the reasons I built the site because I agree with you alot of times samples/examples etc. really don't help out because it is hard to go step by step etc. and the reason for my site is to not only build things like this but also to show how and why (btw my site is not just going to be infragistics)...

"All these people are wasting time and money to get where only a small pack of people can go." this statement also depends on talent it is easy to say that but the fact of the matter is not everyone can paint and while some of these types of examples are not for the starter programmer there is no reason they cannot try to achieve this level with the help of more experienced programmers...

 I also disagree that these types of things are not productive and here is why, at the start of this thread Cedric, Michael and I were arguing back and forth as to why the other company sucks and out of that we have come up with a friendly challenge between programmers (on opposite sides of the world i might add) with two different points of view now I ask you what is not productive about that...

I totaly agree with u Chris, every one can benefit of your samples! 

Good chance :)

:) thanks

I just put the site online the other day so overtime it will be very useful (well atleast for me as I have the memory of a gerbal) hehehe

Hopefully overtime people will start making requests on how to do something etc. which will allow me to get some more snippets and tutorials on there etc. so I see this challenge (win or lose) as a way to add a new tutorial :)

@remissss

The thing I have learned over the years is everyone has their own preference when it comes to programming from controls to languages for me the Infragistics controls are extremly easy to use even the styling and layout etc. where telerik and other controls I find them to be pretty much the way you feel about IG in the end it really doesn't matter what controls you use but rather what controls are best for you...

 The main point of buying controls like infragistics or teleriks is to get a development team work faster and do rich
applications without or with little help of designers to get it pretty.  

The problem with infragistics is that they release bugged controls and they say's that the issues will be resolved in the
next patch.  We cannot always delay the delivery of ours apps (and sometimes the bugs arent solved in the next patch).

When i bought the library, i checked more of the performance and the styling.  The demo website is nice and show real cool thing.
However, when you start integrating the controls, you find that they doesnt always work with update panel, or validations.  You
need to tweak almost all your apps.  Its bad....

And for the learning thing. I really like Teleriks because theirs controls are almost like the microsoft ones but with more style and
with more functionnality.  We were able to work with the infragistics syntax but it's sooo painfull to always be in the documentation
with small example that doesnt give all information in the same place.

For a small company like mine, spending too much time to learning by prototyping to identifies issues or spending money in formation are not
an option because we need to deliver application faster with reduced team.  

@Chris
I'm sure that infragistics like what you are doing with your site and you are very helpfull for them.  However, Infragistics
is no more an option for my company.

I'd have to say this is one of the most civil and potentially productive debates I've seen on the net! and the results of the challenge will be very interesting and possibly useful.

but I would point out that just because one person is able to construct something cool with Infragistics does not do much to prove it is the better component set. a better challenge would be to have several average programmers each try and build a real-world app with each vendor's component sets and assess how easy they are to use, how well documented, how feature-rich etc.

with that said however I look forward to seeing the results of the challenge!