Are you kidding me lol... Telerik has nothing BUT problems, and what really makes me LMFAO is when you post something on Telerik forums you get the "FAMOUS" old Microsoft answer "We were unable to reproduce the problem must be on your end..." lol Telerik what a Joke...

@Cedric "LOL Seriously I Can't understand you" <-- I agree I can't understand you at all...

Here is a classic telerik response "we are unable to reproduce the problem locally" to prove this just goto their forums and search for "reproduce" and see the 3000k worth of responses what a joke, I got more support in my shorts...

"Webgrid, ugly style, buggy???" Whhhaaaaaattttttt???? IF you think the webgrid is ugly and/or buggy you clearly have no idea on how to use it and/or have not played with appstylist one of the two, and to be honest the grid that telerik has is weak in comparison to say the least and don't even get me started on the WebSchedule verus the Telerik Scheduler what a joke...

On WebChart I will agree with you but at the same time Dundas, ComponentArt etc. all suffer from the same flaws hence when doing charting I tend to use ChartDirector (not as pretty) but can whip out a custom chart in about 2mins so the trade off is a lot better...

Now on the file size I will agree with you that there are trade offs when using the Infragistics Controls (same with any control provider really) BUT unlike Telerik I can throw GZIP compression at infragistics without it blowing JS errors at me all day (try that with telerik) I hate to sound like such a anti Telerik guy but to be honest I have had nothing but trouble with them and their controls and (I HAVE) used all of them so I am speaking from experience... as far as WARP, Teleriks AJAX etc. they are NOT designed the way you are trying to use them and if you are building a intesive application you should not be using them to AJAX your entire application but rather fall back to MS AJAX and or just load the httprequest object yourself...

Look I don't want to be rude here but with Infragistics controls I can build/reverse engineer almost ANY website/application in under 30 days by myself...

If you want to have a serious debate about controlA vs. controlB I would be more than happy to debate it with you and show you the pros and cons of both, but really just don't see the point of posting a thread about "Why I get so frustrated with Infragistics..."...

I have been frustrated at times with pretty much every control I have used (including my own) but I can always find solitude with the forum members and staff at Infragistics because they are friendly and don't mind answering questions from beginner programmers and/or up to advanced programmers (even on subjects that are not related to their products)...

OK I guess some people have different experiances with vendors and thats cool. My main bug bear with IG and please remember I have been a loyal IG customer for years is that their controls have a heavy footprint, and until recent lacked some key controls that I needed. This can not be disputed hence the arrival of Aikido, which is designed to overcome the problems of the current toolset. Now this is good and very much needed, BUT Telerik has their Prometheus toolset COMPLETED and packed with useful controls. For instance IG are going to create a new webcombo which will pretty much do what Teleriks already does, BUT this control does NOT exist yet. So IG are still lacking behind. Telerik have a demo that shows 1 MILLION records in a grid loading up in milliseconds. I DARE YOU to try that with the current IG grid. Maybe the Aikido grid will do it but the current grid just wont handle it. As of now Telerik is better but who is to say this wont change when the Aikido platform matures. No point arguing about this as Aikido is IG's answer to the problems of their current suite. Again cant really comment on support as I have received excellent support from BOTH companies. 

"Look I don't want to be rude here but with Infragistics controls I can build/reverse engineer almost ANY website/application in under 30 days by myself..."

Try to acheive a web based version of OUTLOOK 2007 (Including Splitter, slidding panes, combo boxes, grid and alert) using ONLY IG controls. Go on I dare ya. I attempted this with IG but some of the controls mentioned above dont exist or by their very nature cant replicate it's desktop counterpart. This was easy to do with Telerik. I have always argued that a complete suite will allow you to blur the lines between a desktop app and its web counterpart. Some vendors have rolled out controls that can achieve this, but Infragistics current controls cant.

 Also try and load up 500,000 records (not even 1 million) with the IG grid and enable paging, grouping and filtering. Once it loads up (after a minute or so) try and go to page 2. Now watch it fall apart in front of your very eyes like magic.

Ah challenges :) I love when people try and dare me to do stuff with IG controls  hahahah I will take that challenge :) I tell you what how about I change the current challenge on visualstudiotutorials.com to be web based Outlook 2007 Using ONLY Infragistics +SQL controls?

But WHEN I win the challenge you must both bow your heads to the power that is Infragistics... DEAL?

As far as the 500,000+ records ummmmm I have done this on more than one occasion (ICD9,CPT) codes so not sure where the problem is there except to say maybe your database is not indexed etc, but regardless will show you that as well..

cedric, thanks for the reference :)